Hi phoenix, don't worry, I'll have a look at this fingering and let you know.
It's surprising how some things can remain fixed and other not. But I think this is something personal. Maybe for you it's Copin, and for some other it could be Beethoven. Who knows. Anyway, I think this study is very difficult (together with the Opus 10 N2). What do you think about the Aminor study ? Did you find anyway to overcome it's difficulties ?
Regards.
Jack
Hi Salante
The Aminor study op10.2 you mean?
Yes this one also has given me grief!! I've written in a post where I got relaxed and it started going well. Today I was starting to doubt again but I think its just certain sections that have a weakness. Have you tried it? I constantly have to keep reverting back to standing on my thumb while playing the chromatic with 3,4,5. You know I think its just these studies that give me problems. Even other Chopin works are easier I find. Perhaps its the repetetive element or the total relaxing in these studies I don't know!
I think the Aminor and the thirds are similar and Cortot in his editions seems to link a couple of excersises. I personally make my own excersises up based on whatever the problem is at the time.
Bon Chance!
I've just come up with a great way to practice articulating and getting these thirds moving on the opening op.26.6
The fingering for the B/D# is 1/3 and C#/E is 2/5 as before. When playing these if you emphasise in turn whilst all the other notes are playing the 1,2,3,5 successively (voicing) but with Tai chi walking then it creates a circular movement. In other words sound the b,c#,d#, e and back to b,etc..., Its helping me articulate and feel what needs to move and how. See what you think..
I figured that when I play single trills I have a rhythm going so I needed to get this inner rhythmic movement into the double thirds.
Thanks so much for your two last posts phoenix !
Yes, I meant the Op10.2 study in A minor. I have played in the past (but with wrong habits)...so maybe I'll give it some try now again with my discoveries.
For the Op25.6, you are right, it is going better with your fingerings. But I have to practice further on. I have much load with my job this week and I can only practice a bit in the late evening.
Sorry, I don't understand what you mean with the "Tai Chi walking" .. ? Is this from the Alan's book maybe ?
Kind regards.
Jack
Hi Salante
Yes the tai chi walking is in Alan's book and Dvd where you overhold to get a legato. Although in this case I mean at slow tempo at first then when you quicken it becomes more
Ok thanks phoenix. Do you mean the "Honing..." book or the "Study Guide" book of the DVD...
Sorry...
Jack
In the first book.. craft... there's a whole section on it.
let me know how you get on
Cheers
OK phoenix, thanks. I'll wait the book(s) and read carefully.
In between, I have tried the Opus 25.6 thirds of Chopin and the fingering with 1/3-2/5 works indeed better.
Will go on slowly and try to find the right movement.
I'll keep you posted.
Have a good practice.
Regards.
Jack
Hi salante
I've developed my double trill excersise where I emphasise these semis in each bar of double notes slowly but then I just try to think it a little faster until its hardly audible. Using fingering:
1 2 3 5 ------- 3 2 3 5 ------- 3 2 3 5 ------- 3 2 3 5 -----
b c# d# e -- d# c# d# e -- d# c# d# e -- d# c# d# e
On each bar the thumb on the b has a slight accent and the 325 helps give a slight rotation/rocking movement. But generally try to keep the thumb standing. I found it helps similarly on other double trills. Obvioulsy once the feeling is there then no need to think like this permanently. It is a headache at first!!
Cheers
Thank you so much phoenix.
I'm very interested in trying your fingering, but I'm sorry, I don' understant the correlation of the numbers with the notes...you did great job depicting it, however, I don't know how to handle it...
1 2 3 5 ------- 3 2 3 5 ------- 3 2 3 5 ------- 3 2 3 5 -----
b c# d# e -- d# c# d# e -- d# c# d# e -- d# c# d# e
!--!---!---! -- !---!----!---! -- !---!-----!----! -- !---!---!---!
For the first part, you mean I play the first third with 1-3 (b-c#), then 2-3 (c#-e) ? Ok for this, but for the remaining series they are all three the same... what do you mean please.
It's of couse always clearer through some sheet.
Regards.
Jack
