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Being Able To Play Heavier Action Pianos

10 years ago by
A Pianist
Hi there I'm interested to know what people's experiences are with learning on your own instrument or the one you regularly try to play at a music school/uni and then being able to play on a completely different instrument your teacher's piano or in concert on a piano that feels alot tougher action. Now I'm fairly used to going from different pianos and I've even managed to go from my electric weighted piano and transfered straight to a concert grand in concerts or masterclasses with relatively easy adjustment. Many times it hasn't bothered me and I've been able to get through a program without thinking "this piano is really hard work". But there are times when you come accross a really firm piano as I did yesterday - my friends 9" Bechstein - and its such hard work to get through some Chopin Studies. I'm not sure if I feel it to start with and then psychologically seize up some muscles and then it becomes hard work or there is a real problem that my technique normally adept to other pianos cannot cope on a really firm action. I wondered if it was just the Chopin studies that were hard to play on this piano as I feel more natural with any technique to play Mozart/Beethoven/Bach even some Liszt etc which also requires a different type of endurance and control. Is there a real issue that people who practice on a moderate action or even an electric weighted piano cannot develop strength and endurance for the heavier actions OR is it a matter of technique and kinesthetic adjustment? OR is Chopin especially the etudes and big works particularly hard to play on firmer action pianos - as Horrowitz said in David Dubal's book -I think Chopin would have changed a few things if he knew the modern instrument. And in fact Horrowitz made sure he played with his Steinway everywhere and had it set up particular to the accoustic of the concert hall he was playing. For us mere mortals though we have to put up with whatever comes our way and it isn't always ideal! The other thing that crosses my mind is that when you have concert nerves and you've had little rehearsal time on the piano you are about to play on everything starts to tense which will feel like an enormous task to get through with a heavy action on top. How do you relax in this situation? Thanks Sharon
10 years ago by
A Pianist
Hi That's a complex subject. I beleive most grand pianos in less fancier halls have badly regulated actions and are totally out of descent voicing. I think it is not so much a question of heavy action or not. If you have the possibility try playing the études on a 19 century Pleyel or Erard- I'd say the difference is less than you would think. Those pianos have some really beautiful registers. I once had an upright piano in which i added extra led to get it really heavy for practising purposes. After a while I found that I lost the kinestetic skills and senitivity so I stopped that experiment. A more sensitive dynamic digital with maybe a little lighter action is, if you ask me, better than a heavy (digital) action with less prominent sound. The more subtle work can't be done on a digital so I guess it is important to do regular several-hours check-ups on a good grand . It could perhaps be beneficial to practice some limited time on a silent piano, doing some workout, I know some pianists used to warm up with these before recitals. Maybe the best thing-if possible-is to adopt the repertoire to the piano? Lots of pianists would probably disagree they just play whatever on any piano. But I can't. Eric
10 years ago by
A Pianist
My most striking experience with this was going to play a recital at the music school in Sombor, Yugoslavia and being faced with an Estonia concert grand whose action was so heavy I felt I needed a sledgehammer to push down a single key. It was unbelievable! I was playing Rachmaninoff's monumental 1st sonata in D minor among other things. Something very interesting happened: I at once acquired a completely new understanding of the Russian School. That rich tone, that juicy singing melodic line, well it's much easier to get it when you are already habituated to having to PRESS the key down mightily just to get the note to sound. Recall Anton Rubinstein's injunction when asked how to get his marvellous, singing, richly orchestrated sound: "Press the keys until your fingers bleed!" I adjusted my technique to the demands of the moment and although it was a lot of work, I had a lot of fun playing that concert. Another example: many of our Academy students shy away from the one concert Steinway we possess (a fine Hamburger from the vintage year 70's that albeit has seen better days), saying the action is too heavy. This is a complete illusion. That action is not heavy at all. But the instrument itself demands that you manipulate the keys differently if you want the release its golden, singing Steinway tones. I've said this elsewhere, a Steinway will give you more gold than any other instrument, but you have to know how to handle it. You must orchestrate more extremely, and if you don't, it won't really sound that special. You'll get by better on some Yamaha that doesn't possess that kind of orchestrational potential at all. So they sense that this instrument is requiring something from them that they find difficult to give, and their subjective experience is that the action is heavier. I literally don't notice now if an action is heavy or light. I am so intent on going for a certain sound, getting a certain extreme orchestration, that my hand is already set up to manipulate the key with a specific kind of strength. What I'm trying to say is that when your hand is skeletally organized, it possesses both the strength to manage a heavier action and the sensitivity to fine tune its control of a lighter action. One's personal preference depends a lot one one's technique, one's physical style. Artur Rubinstein famously preferred an action that offered quite some resistance, that had some 'beef.' This helped him get that trademark warm tone of his, because he felt he could let go and sink into the keys with all of himself. Horowitz on the other hand had an incredibly light action that allowed him to hyper-orchestrate easily and to micro-control the key with a minimum of physical effort. His hand had great strength but that strength went to his hand in a specific way rather than being invested in the actual moving of the key. AFF
10 years ago by
A Pianist
Very interesting you should say about hand organisation and it not mattering about the action. I've been in this situation where I did not notice how heavy an action was but for me and maybe for others sometimes something psychological happens (perhaps in concert or something) and all of a sudden the action feels heavy or things aren't going well - for example the sound you tried to create doesnt come out the way you want it and then this distracts you. All of a sudden this distraction from the music takes you into a technical battle with the piano. It feels heavy, your mind tells you "how are you going to get through the whole program!" I refer to the other voice which has been written about in the "Inner Game of Music" book on performance psychology. But to cope with these eventualities and to make sure you are getting the best from one's organisation the question for me is what type of action is better to practice on. As an example a particularly light action can allow you to come in at an angle to a passage which you may not have found a problem until you get on a piano with keys which clearly want to be played from the above and won't go down from an angle. If we are to learn our craft and make sure our organisation is correct my question from a practice point of view is what type of action is better. I'm looking for an upright to practice on and I'm having a hard time choosing between the round tones an old restored German Upright piano where you actually feel the hammer coming back after you play a note and these pianos have a personality - something like Bechstein, Hoffman, Bluthner, Kaps etc. OR the new technology like the Kawai K-series or Japanese made Yamaha U1/3s of the 70s/80s. I know its a personal choice but I want an action that will allow me to not get away with bad habits! Does anyone have similar experience and can offer any insight?
10 years ago by
A Pianist
I would personally take the old one with personality any day. Believe me, you won't regret it. Every time you find some special sound in it you will thank your lucky stars you didn't opt for a faceless, soul-less, identity-less generic model. I think in the end, the SOUND is what prevents you from getting away with bad habits, and the sound of the generic modern instruments is actually what allows many of my students to fall INTO bad habits. The Yamaha sounds nice and they think everything is OK, then when they go to play on a Steinway they discover they didn't do ANYTHING in terms of voicing. It's appalling how the modern generics lull you into a false sense of security with their superfically beautiful sound... As for pianos behaving differently in performance, that's because you are now hyper-aware, and small differences that you didn't notice before suddenly become huge in your perception. There is no way you can avoid that happening: the only thing you can do is to know that it may well happen and not be surprised when it does. Be thankful instead that you are in a heightened state, it means it's more likely something good is coming out of you and going to the audience! No less a personage than Kemal has frequently complained of such occurrences. A good, well-regulated Steinway which offered absolutely no problems in rehearsal suddenly, inexplicably transforms itself into an uneven, sluggish, overly heavy, unresponsive piece of inert matter - and you have to play the concert! But there CAN be something good in it: the struggle to overcome that inert matter can increase your engagement with the music and make for a better performance. It's all in your perceptions - a sign of just how subjective it is what we do... I have often noticed that when I think I'm playing fine, the recording afterwards tells me otherwise, and when I think I'm playing like garbage, the recording afterwards often reveals a great performance. When I think I am doing badly, I try harder, and this keeps me MUCH more honest both pianistically and musically. AFF
10 years ago by
A Pianist
Thanks Alan for your very helpful reply. I was hoping your answer was going to be along those lines about the old uprights. My friend has a Bechstein rebuilt and she also is of the same opinion as yourself - no personality and spongy feel actions in the newer pianos. Everytime I get near a technician they hate the old and favour the new. They are of course looking at the easy-ness of the work they have to do on the newer actions. I met one the other day when I went straight to an Bluthner upright and ignored all the new Kawais and she said no no no .. why do all the good musicians go to the worst instruments! Are they deaf?! For all the bright sounds they aim for in a piano and the listening they do why do they not fully hear the tones of the bass in a an old piano have this huge warm bass resonance when compared with the new Japanese pianos. The market is swamped with Wendl and Lung, Kawai, Yamaha and then some spin offs of these makes. Anyway you made my mind up firmly to opt for the old uprights of which none are ready for me at the moment as they are being rebuilt/restored. I'm being careful of which I choose. I dont want bright tinny sounds and it has to feel sensitive and responsive. Quite a challenge at the moment as there are always comprimises unless spending a small fortune! Thanks Sharon
10 years ago by
A Pianist
You've hit upon another very peculiar phenomenon. Even some of the very best technicians I know think as you describe. It is hard to understand. I had the best tuner in Serbia come take a look at my precious Landowska Steinway. I wouldn't even let anybody else in the country near it (her), only him. But he shifted the strike point by about a millimeter and made her lose a lot of her personality but gain in that generic, rich brightness which characterizes the modern instrument. I gotta make him come back and undo what he did! Go figure! Anyhow I wish you luck. In my experience, if you have faith, the world will eventually offer you the instrument of your dreams... AFF
10 years ago by
A Pianist
I think the difference is that WE musicians treat our instrument as a personality - a person almost! We call them She/He - we even give them nicknames resembling their make!! Technicians see them as clockwork - a mechanical work of art. None of them play that well in my experience but they do recognise when someone plays their worked on piano in the way the piano wants it to. One technician had said to a guy - dont play the Bechstein like you would a Steinway - ease off and let it play itself. He was referring to the guy trying to play too loud and after a while it starts to sound bashy/percussive. I must say I've been to a few workshops in the last few days and it looks very interesting. Rebuilding a piano from scratch and working among the things we love in a nice environment (they have a workshop on the side of their house) no people to hassle you. I don't know whether a true pianist/technician would be a good combo. Maybe it's a contradiction - I dont know. I hope you get your Landowska sorted!! Does she have 88 keys btw. Some of the Bechsteins only have 85 (models 8.9.10) and its easy to miss! More piano hunting for me today.
10 years ago by
A Pianist
I think Steinway never made a short keyboard - if they did, I've never seen one. Wanda is in good shape in any case... I am beginning to like certain things about her with her strike point shifted, to discover certain nuances I hadn't seen before, so maybe I'll wait awhile longer before putting her back. AFF
10 years ago by
A Pianist
Hi After much trying of modern upright pianos - some technician piano sales people tried to put me off the old instruments - I just couldn't sit down and enjoy what I was playing on them. The closest I got was a Kawai K6 and a couple of Yamaha U3's of the 80s. But really nothing gave me that feeling as it did of an 1884 Steinway K. It's been re-strung, rebuilt, soundboard etc from a proper restorer. I asked him to add some weight to the back of the key for a but more resistance as I thought it was a little too light. But I will own this instrument shortly. It's got a lovely round tone and lots of character. It's been hard to find a decent old instrument but I think I have it. Cheers S